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Post by Jim Weickum on May 28, 2019 10:10:58 GMT -7
I will be doing a poll for the new classes. Please vote for one in each of the class series; Vintage, Box Stock and Limited/Unlimited. I will do one poll at a time. Vintage is first.
Jim W
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Post by chris on May 30, 2019 15:24:50 GMT -7
I will be doing a poll for the new classes. Please vote for one in each of the class series; Vintage, Box Stock and Limited/Unlimited. I will do one poll at a time. Vintage is first. Jim W what cars will be included in the 1/24 Hard body class?
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Post by Tom Dolan on May 30, 2019 20:23:45 GMT -7
There are lots of choices. If we do sports cars, Revell has several--Lotus 23, Ferrari 250 GTO, 1965 Corvette, Cobra 289, etc. Cox has a Ford GT40, Chaparral, Cheetah, and more I'm sure--just not remembering all of them LOL.. K&B has several, Strombecker has a Cheetah, Ford J car, etc. I'm sure others here have more suggestions. Go to Ebay and search for vintage slot cars 1/24--there are lots of them there. Tom
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 11:58:11 GMT -7
Also Tamiya re-released several of the 60's sports car bodies.
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Post by Tom Dolan on May 31, 2019 13:33:19 GMT -7
Nice bodies--the complete cars are rare and VERY expensive. Tom
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Post by chris on May 31, 2019 14:14:59 GMT -7
There are lots of choices. If we do sports cars, Revell has several--Lotus 23, Ferrari 250 GTO, 1965 Corvette, Cobra 289, etc. Cox has a Ford GT40, Chaparral, Cheetah, and more I'm sure--just not remembering all of them LOL.. K&B has several, Strombecker has a Cheetah, Ford J car, etc. I'm sure others here have more suggestions. Go to Ebay and search for vintage slot cars 1/24--there are lots of them there. Tom Thanks Tom
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 18:30:39 GMT -7
Nice bodies--the complete cars are rare and VERY expensive. Tom Professor Motor has the reproduction diecast chassis for them, though I don't know how competitive they would be with that chassis. www.professormotor.com/product-p/tamgt.htm
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Post by Racer7 on Jun 1, 2019 20:06:51 GMT -7
Nice bodies--the complete cars are rare and VERY expensive. Tom Professor Motor has the reproduction diecast chassis for them, though I don't know how competitive they would be with that chassis. www.professormotor.com/product-p/tamgt.htmWould repop body and professor motor chassis be legal?
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Post by Jim Weickum on Jun 1, 2019 21:02:42 GMT -7
Just a reminder, the "Vintage" Class cars are slot cars that were made before 1969. That is, the chassis, motor, and all running gear plus the body. It is not just the year of the body style. If you look at the underside of an Monogram body it will show the year of the car; such as 1964. We have allowed certain bodies or chassis to be used such as EJs makes a reproduction of the Strombecker brass chassis or the Monogram chassis. When these EJs chassis have been used, the body had to have been an original Vintage body.
Jim W
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 9:52:06 GMT -7
Ooops. Sorry. I didn't know the rule. I believe the Tamiya cars were originally from the 60's and the chassis uses a 36D motor. But the bodies and chassis I listed are recent even though I believe the original and repro chassis would be the same.
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Post by Jim Weickum on Jun 2, 2019 10:07:09 GMT -7
Craig,
I don't know about the Tamiya cars. We have only ran 1/32 cars in the past. If we pick this class, the Tamiya repro cars and chassis would have to be looked at then.
Jim W
Some of the Cox 1/24 cars also come with the 36D motor. The Cox 1/24 F-1 cars would have the 16D motors in them. Both can drive and end bell drive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 21:24:34 GMT -7
I suppose that even if the Tamiya body and chassis met vintage criteria and a NOS 36D could be fitted, the running gear, axles, wheels, tires, and guide would probably have to be modern. I doubt you could find those original parts.
I personally have a slew of vintage stuff (Cox, K&B) that would meet the rules though the Tamiya stuff is intriguing.
Am I correct in thinking that aftermarket tires could be used on the vintage cars?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 6:27:37 GMT -7
Craig, Pretty sure you can use an aftermarket guide and aftermarket tires are legal. See below:
Introduction: The club's purpose statement and philosophy of the Front Range Vintage Slot Car and Historical Racing Club is the starting point of all rules that will be adapted both in this document and in the future.
Club statement: "To encourage the memory of and involvement with vintage (30 years or more prior to current calendar year) and historical slot car racing through the construction and racing of vintage prototypes from vintage and contemporary (model car) components."
Club philosophy: a) Emulate our 1:1 vintage racing brethren. Fun and the cars should be the center of interest, not egos nor nit-picking rules. b) No one should be left out due to a lack of equipment. Multiple classes of racing as well as opportunities for marshalling, judging, etc., should include every member. c) The racing should in some small way duplicate the 1:1 racing of a past era. d) Thingies and modern prototypes should be pursued by members on their own initiative at private events, not Vintage club events.
Section I: Magnet Down force Many modern slot cars, including models of vintage prototypes, come from the manufacturer with magnets installed to create down force on plastic tracks, leading to faster lap times. Non-magnetic cars are instantly at a disadvantage. To stay true to the historical links of our club, racers using manufactured cars that include a magnet(s) will need to remove the magnet(s) when racing the car in competition. Builders will want to avoid the installation of magnets in cars they plan to race at club events. Cars will be inspected for compliance.
Section II: Car appearance / dimensions Since our racing emulates the 1:1 racing of history, cars will need to meet certain standards of appearance: a) All cars will be close to 1/32 in size of the actual car. b) All cars will have a driver figure. c) All cars will have appropriate windscreen / windshields. d) Wheels and tires of appropriate number (4), size and decoration similar to the prototype, and located within the fenders on those cars so equipped. "Plain" looking slot car wheels are not allowed. e) Wings, aero devices, etc., can only be added if the 1:1 car sported such devices. They must be reasonable models of such for authenticity. f) Markings - a minimum of two (2) racing numbers must be displayed. The car may or may not represent exact colors and markings of a particular race's prototypes. (Example: a blue Ferrari is totally acceptable.) g) Minimum ground clearance will be 1/16 inch.
Section III: Racing Categories Categories will emulate those of the real world. For any particular race, a category will be announced to which all cars must comply. A historical time period will also be announced. Examples: Formula 1, 1951 - 1959 LeMans for prototype sports racers, 1966 - 1972 Indianapolis racers, 1959 - 1964 Pre-war sports, 1931 - 1939
Section IV: Racing Classes When a particular race is announced, in addition to the category (Sec III), a certain "class" will also be announced. The purpose of these class divisions is two-fold: a) to bring parity to the competition b) to allow drivers to compete and build race cars at any involvement level they desire. (Before choosing a class for a race, the race committee will want to carefully consider if a majority of members have equipment to compete in that class and category combination, or that cars, components, can be readily purchased.) FRVSC & HRC has set the following four (4) classes and definitions for its 1/32 racing program: 1) "BOX STOCK - PLUS" will be all currently manufactured vintage prototype ready to run (RTR) cars as they "come out of the box." Pre-race preparations will be limited to lubrication, guide and gear adjustment, removal of magnet(s), adding of weight, suitable tires and tire truing. 2) "LIMITED" class will encompass a variety of car constructions / sources, with the overriding rule being the use of stock OEM (original equipment of the manufacturer) motors, whether modern or vintage. Of course, guidelines from Sections 1 and II are still in effect. The following types of cars are all acceptable: a) currently manufactured 1/32 RTR or "kit" cars. The only modifications allowed are the swapping of tires and/or wheels, drive gear and axle, pickup shoe and braids, removal of magnet(s) and the addition of weight. b) true vintage slot cars, again with OEM non-modified motors and chassis, or equivalent modern motor substituted. c) scratch built cars, with motors as above. 3) "UNLIMITED" class, as the name implies, allows cars to enter with modifications of any kind. Rules from sections I and II are still in effect. Changing motors, tires and/or wheels, drive gear and/or axle, pickup shoe and/or braids, use of special bearings, modified / re-worked / scratch built chassis, etc., are all allowed in this class. 4) "VINTAGE" class will feature slot cars which were manufactured pre-1969. All true vintage manufactured equipment, including motors, must be used. The one exception is the tires. Modern tires may be used, but must be installed on vintage rims. Modifications may be made which are true to period practices, examples: a different gear for ratio changes, use of ball bearings and the addition of weight for better handling.
(The majority of the above text was taken from the Club's 2002 rules and regulations. And are still appropriate in 2018.)
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Post by Jim Weickum on Jun 6, 2019 18:55:27 GMT -7
When you are building a "Vintage class car", the rules may allow a person to use parts from another companies slot cars of the same time frame, before 1969. The running gear; wheels, axles, gears, guide shoe, motors, bodies and chassis are all to be Vintage parts. There may be some parts that are reproduced that may be allowed, such as EJs chassis or wheels. When a class is thought up, there may be only one person that has a Vintage car for that class, Steve. We try to not limit all Vintage classes so Steve is only one that will have a car for the class!!
Jim W
Craig,
Tires are one "modern part" that may be allowed on a Vintage car. We would like the tires to be reproduced to look like the original tires, side wall detail and correct sizing. There again, EJs makes some "Rubber tires" that I have used. Ortmans or Paul Gage tires are other tires that have been used. I have a few sets of Ajs tires from the 1960's that I have run when the class allowed that wide of tire, Vintage F-1 class.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 20:11:04 GMT -7
Thanks Jim. So in addition to "The running gear; wheels, axles, gears, guide shoe, motors, bodies and chassis are all to be Vintage parts. There may be some parts that are reproduced that may be allowed, such as EJs chassis or wheels" the guidelines that apply are:
Section II: Car appearance / dimensions
Since our racing emulates the 1:1 racing of history, cars will need to meet certain standards of appearance:
a) All cars will be close to 1/32 in size of the actual car.
b) All cars will have a driver figure.
c) All cars will have appropriate windscreen / windshields.
d) Wheels and tires of appropriate number (4), size and decoration similar to the prototype, and located within the fenders on those cars so equipped. "Plain" looking slot car wheels are not allowed.
e) Wings, aero devices, etc., can only be added if the 1:1 car sported such devices. They must be reasonable models of such for authenticity.
f) Markings - a minimum of two (2) racing numbers must be displayed. The car may or may not represent exact colors and markings of a particular race's prototypes. (Example: a blue Ferrari is totally acceptable.)
g) Minimum ground clearance will be 1/16 inch.
4) "VINTAGE" class will feature slot cars which were manufactured pre-1969. All true vintage manufactured equipment, including motors, must be used. The one exception is the tires. Modern tires may be used, but must be installed on vintage rims. Modifications may be made which are true to period practices, examples: a different gear for ratio changes, use of ball bearings and the addition of weight for better handling.
The class is 1/24 Hardbodies. Does that include or exclude scale accurate lexan bodies? Lots of detailed vintage bodies by major manufacturers were lexan or similar polycarbonate.
Thanks.
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